[ProgressiveEd] Re: recent comments

Melah Gindi [email protected]
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Donna et al,
Absolutely.  We have committees for G&T, Dual Language and Middle School 
Choice - all programmes heavily favoured and curried to by white middle 
class families.  We have admissions practices at the elementary school level 
that are probably illegal.  Who/what committee has been looking into these 
issues?
Melah
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<P>A couple of responses to recent comments: NYC schools have always been segregated and racist. They were segregated before decentralization, and have been so since then. There is absolutely no evidence that Klein and Bloomberg have shown any commitment to desegregation.&nbsp; The school decentralization movement followed a very organized movement to integrate NYC pucblic shcools. Recognizing that&nbsp; schools continued to be segregated and racist, the movement for community control---led by&nbsp;communities of color--wanted to at least insure that communities of color would have control to create anti-racist schools (with anti-racist teachers and administration) that respected and reflected the community. Whatever one thinks of the current school boards and their successes and failures, it seems to me that the principle of&nbsp; community control/decentralization&nbsp; is fundamental to challenging the system of apartheid&nbsp;that so characterizes&nbsp;our schools and so!
ciety and to creating what communities of color, low-income communities, and others&nbsp;have fought long and hard for--the basic human right to just and equitable public education. &nbsp;Donna Nevel<BR><BR></P>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 13:44:52 EDT 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;As we decide where we stand on preserving the local school districts and 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;boards, I think Shael's questions are extremely important. In District 3 my 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;experience has been that the school board has been generally accountable and 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;responsive to the majority of parents though certainly there have been groups 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;that have been underrepresented and others whose wishes have had more 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;response because they were well organized and articulate. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;I know this is not true of all school boards and districts and I believe we 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;cannot try to keep the status quo if it has not worked for the majority of 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;parents just because it has worked for us. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; I strongly agree with Shael that as the networks are created over the next 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; few months, it is incumbent on progressive educators to argue for diverse 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; networks of schools that are not segregated by race and class. 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; about preserving the local school districts.&nbsp; To what degree are the 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; incumbent on progressive educators to argue for diverse networks of schools 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Shael Polakow-Suransky 
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